Last year I wrote two articles refuting claims of the rabid, Islamophobic criminal and liar Joel Richardson here is that article again http://muslimbeliefsandnews.blogspot.com/2011/02/refutation-of-lies-against-islam.html and the summary of this first article: http://muslimbeliefsandnews.blogspot.com/2011/02/summarized-version-of-my-refutation-of.html
Well I just came across some more of the ridiculous claims and assertions of some of Richardson's brainwashed followers. In the comment section at this link (the blog itself is a great Islamic blog refuting the liar Joel Richardson!) I saw the claims of someone calling themselves "Jose". http://joelsdeceit.wordpress.com/2011/09/05/debunking-the-comparison-of-the-second-beast-with-the-islamic-jesus/#comment-19
"Jose" wrote a bunch of nonsense, you can feel free to check out at the link I gave I will simply post my response and refutation to him here.
Responding to the poster "Jose" and your assertions and claims.
The "book of Daniel" in the corrupted, contradiction filled Bible is set in the historical context of Jews in the BCE's resisting Greek Hellenization specifically at the hands of the Selecuid ruler Antiochus IV Epiphanes who tried to make the Jews worship Zeus and the Seleucid Antiochus a follower of Greco-Roman paganism defiled the Temple in Jerusalem with a statue of Zeus and pig "sacrifices" to this Zeus statue to offend the Jews even more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiochus_IV_Epiphanes. A good article for you on academics giving the historical setting of "Daniel" http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/bible/comment/daniel.shtml
And as for "Revelation" in the New Testament it was as Thomas Jefferson said "merely the ravings of a maniac no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams". Did you know Jose this book was almost not even included in the "New Testament" canon by the later church councils themselves?! Also the Greek isle of Patmos (i.e. John of Patmos the supposed writer of the "book of Revelation" in the NT) is famous for its naturally growing Psilocybin mushrooms (aka psychedelic or "magic" mushrooms the hallucinatory drug) might explain Revelation 12:7 and talks of DRAGONS fighting wars in heaven, etc (i.e. someone, the so-called John of Patmos, tripping on magic mushrooms)!
Then "Jose" you make a whole bunch of what can only be termed ridiculous claims by which I guess your claiming that the liar Joel Richardson himself is supposedly a "prophet"!! You claim Richardson has allegedly said these supposed "predictions" (as you term them) or you even term these alleged statements you say Richardson made "insinuations" (probably vague nonsense your making up) Allow me to respond to your general ludicrous assertions.
Where exactly did Joel Richardson ever supposedly "predict" that Iran would allegedly "plot" to kill the Saudi Ambassador (I assume your trying to imply the Saudi ambassador to the USA, you just say "Saudi ambassador" I'm assuming you realize Saudi has more then one ambassador and has ambassadors around the world in different foreign countries!). You and I both know Richardson NEVER made such a claim, and also if you bothered to even look at the news sources this claim of a supposed rogue network in Iran's special forces trying to assassinate the Saudi ambassador in the US fell apart with even Iranian experts in the US itself (like renowned ex-CIA official Robert Baer) said this supposed bumbling assassination plot/tale (supposedly involving failing drunk used car salesmen, supposed Mexican drug cartels, and all sorts of nonsense reading like a bad Hollywood or even Bollywood script) was a made up story with no evidence and simply wasn't and couldn't have been the work of Iran or any of their competent intelligence agencies. http://www.juancole.com/2011/10/wagging-the-dog-with-irans-maxwell-smart.html
And before that you made some asinine remark about Iran supposedly believing they need to allegedly "nuke" Saudi Arabia to "unleash the Mahdi"! This is a false claim on your part and is in NO Shi'a Muslim understanding of the Mahdi (and Iran is of course a majority Twelver Shi'a Muslim nation), you completely made up your false "nuking" claim likely with help from your demented "friend" Joel Richardson. For even a little basic info about Shi'a Muslim beliefs on what they believe about Imam al-Mahdi (which is different then specific Sunni Muslim beliefs) even try just Wikipedia! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Mahdi also including both Sunni and Shia views on the Mahdi in Islamic thought again even from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi
Then you say "Hacked UN wires, Saudi Arabia allow Israel to use their airfields against Iran." Again any evidence as to were Joel Richardson allegedly "predicted" this according to your claims, are you basically worshipping Joel Richardson as your supposed modern day Dispensationalist "Prophet" himself?!!! Joel did NOT "predict" this or anything else. Regarding the stories about the American backed Saudi monarchy allegedly being willing to allow the Zionists (aka the "Israeli" Khazars) to use their Saudi airspace to attack Iran: it doesn't take a "prophet" to realize this possibility (only good geopolitical analysis) also it was not in any "UN wire" you tool it was simply reported on and gossiped about in the Western mainstream media. Also most geopolitical strategists around the world again have long stated that it is a possibility if a future conflict between Iran and "Israel" were to occur Saudi would side with "Israel" at least behind the scenes. Finally note the Saudi monarchy itself denies they have given such an authorization and they still publicly say they will not allow "Israel" to use their airspace for any future "Israeli" plans to attack Iran. http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2010/06/14/Riyadh-denies-Israeli-airspace-claims/UPI-59391276531427/
"Riyadh denies Israeli airspace claims" June 14, 2010
Then you say that "Iran attempting to invade Iraq", care to provide ANY evidence of this?!!! I mean not only that Joel Richardson is "predicting" or I guess your saying allegedly "predicted" this; but when did an alleged Iranian attempted invasion of Iraq ever happen in our current time? You do realize that back in the 1980s (I assuming your not trying to say Richardson was around making claims back in the 1980s as well lol) it was Saddam's Iraq (backed by the US Reagan administration) that invaded Revolutionary Iran that had just overthrown the Shah's US backed dictatorship and was under the revolutionary leadership of Ayatullah Khomeini. If your talking about currently, Iran is not trying to "invade Iraq", Iran is not doing this and has absolutely ZERO reason to ever do so or even think about! The current Iraqi government (led by Shi'ite PM Nouri al-Maliki) is heavily made up of Iraqi Shi'ite political parties (Shi'ites are 60% of Iraq's total population) and many of these parties be they Maliki, the Badr Brigades, the Sadrists, etc. are heavily tied to Iran: so Iran has what they want in political control via Iraqi proxies and allies (who they give monetary support to) so they are not going to "invade" anything!
You then say "Iran working and getting the nuclear bomb", you do realize that the Iranian nuclear program has been headline news for almost a decade right?! (the Iranian nuclear program has been known about since the 1979 Islamic Revolution itself as the US helped the Shah start it before this when the Shah was a US ally still in power, I believe the US helped Iran start their nuclear energy program in the early 1970s to be exact). So what exactly was your idol Joel, the crackpot, Richardson supposedly "predicting"?! Also Iran of course says there nuclear program is a purely, peaceful nuclear energy program (unlike the US that has used nuclear weapons it possesses against the Japanese women and children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the Zionist "Israelis" that were given around 200+ nuclear weapons by the Americans, British and French in the 1960s and onwards). http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,37959,00.html "Documentary Says Israel Got Nuclear Weapons From France".
Next you say "Turkey mediating between Muslim brotherhood, Egypt, Lybia, North Sudan, and Israel." Again where is the evidence of Richardson "predicting" anything?! And on this case you (and possibly Richardson if he said such nonsense as what you posted) FAIL. Turkey has BAD relations with "Israel" at the moment (since the June 2010 Flotilla to Gaza), and Turkey has cut off diplomatic relations with "Israel" and his demanding an "Israeli" apology (which the Zionist entity refuses to give) and compensation for the dead Turks that were killed by the Zionist military on-board the Flotilla to Gaza, Palestine. So Turkey is not supposedly mediating anything as they have again have BAD ties and hostility with "Israel" right now and also the Muslim Brotherhood does not have any real discussions or negotiations of any kind with the Zionist entity. In fact isn't that what people like Glenn Beck, etc. have been crying about that the Muslim Brotherhood taking power in Egypt is a disaster for "Israel" and put what had been a pliable puppet in Hosni Mubarak in Egypt into the category of an enemy and foe of the Zionist entity (with the new Salafi and Muslim Brotherhood dominated government in Egypt)?! The Muslim Brotherhood has only limited power in Libya (the NTC is the main group there and is not related, and the main Islamist rebel group in Libya is the LIFG the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group that has more links to al-Qaeda then to the Muslim Brotherhood: if you did any basic reading you'd know that contrary to what people like Glenn Beck or your idol Joel Richardson promote the Muslim Brotherhood is moderate and has a hostile relationship with al-Qaeda that sees al-Qaeda reguarly condemning the Brotherhood as sellouts). Omar al-Bashir of Sudan is not in the Muslim Brotherhood either. In fact Omar al-Bashir (the leader of Sudan's) main rival and enemy is his former Islamist ally Sheikh Hassan al-Turabi (who was once friends with bin Laden http://www.historycommons.org/events-images/a307_bin_laden_turabi_2050081722-17016.jpg) al-Turabi is now the leader of the National Islamic Front (a new breakaway party her formed in the early 2000s when he broke with and became the top rival of Omar al-Bashir) which is actually a Brotherhood (Ikhwan) affiliated group in Sudan that again is actually opposed to the current Sudanese leader Omar al-Bashir and his National Congress political party in Sudan. In fact al-Turabi is now allied with rebels in the western region of Darfur, Sudan and Al-Turabi is in on good terms with South Sudan and its leaders today (in an alliance against Omar al-Bashir in Khartoum).
And then for your next vacuous claim regarding the Sudan (today Sudan and "South" Sudan, after the imperialist finally divided the country as they had longed planned for, in what was once the largest nation in Africa http://english.hizbuttahrir.org/index.php/africa/political-comments/268-the-splitting-of-sudan) you do realize the plan to partition Sudan was public knowledge and in place for a LONG time right?! So again where is your supposed source for what the nutjob Joel Richardson even claimed; and also stating Sudan would be partitioned into a northern state and southern state is nothing. Again all analysts were saying the partition would leave a nation called Sudan (with the capital of Khartoum still) and a southern state officially called South Sudan (with a capital of the city of Juba http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan) so even if someone spoke of a partition of the Sudan (which your not providing any link for from the fraud Richardson) this is again no alleged "prediction" it was being widely stated by all political analysts and media that covered the African continent itself (and the partition plans themselves had been in place for at least going on a decade and that was publicly after the Second Sudanese Civil War was stopped). Oh yeah and if you bothered to do any in-depth research about the Sudan you'd realize that while the Arabized north is predominantly Muslim, the south that is today's new nation of South Sudan (capital of Juba) CANNOT be correctly called a "Christian South"; only a minority of Southern Sudanese people are religiously Christians the majority of Southern Sudanese are religiously what is termed Animists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism which often is translated as "spirit worship", etc. and in this case it refers to indigenous African, pagan spirit religions (think Shamans, etc). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudan#Religion Again most studies say the Southern Sudanese are religiously majority Animist, followed up a sizable minority of Christians, and then even a somewhat sizable Muslim minority itself in South Sudan of about 18% of South Sudan's total population.
Northern Sudan today is Arabized, when you say "Cush", your thinking of the ancient Kushite Kingdom that no longer exists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kush. Again Islamophobes often bring up that the Northern Sudanese have been Arabized, yet now your blathering about "Cush" even though this shows your corrupted Bible is set in an old historical setting and context.
Obviously in ancient times the Israelites were enemies of all the nations around them so it is only natural for enemy lists of theirs mentioned in the corrupted, contradiction filled Bibles to mention states and peoples from the general region that they had beef with back in that day (i.e. the Israelites didn't know of the ancient Olmec civilization of ancient Mesoamerica so they wouldn't write about fighting them); again this is all very crucially clearly SET in ancient times the Bible only mentions ancient names like "Cush", Tubal, Gomer, etc. I will get to this etc. showing that this was again set in an OLD historical setting and not a supposed "prophecy" at all. Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog
Quote- The etymology of both the names Gog and Magog remains uncertain. The ma- at the beginning of Magog may indicate a land, or it may mean "from", so that Magog means "of the land of Gog" or "from Gog". Gog may originate as the Hebrew version of the name of Gyges of Lydia, who made his kingdom a great power in the early 7th century BC, but this explanation, although common, is not universally accepted.[1] A different theory is that "Magog" might be a reference to Babylon, by turning BBL ("Babylon" in Hebrew script, which originally had no vowel-signs) into MGG (Magog), but this account, like the others, has problems.[2]
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For the different groups included in the "Biblical" account of "Gog and Magog" I will quote from the following academic work of the skeptic academic Professor Tim Callahan and his scholarly work "Bible Prophecy: Failure or Fulfillment?" http://www.amazon.com/Bible-Prophecy-Fulfillment-Tim-Callahan/dp/0965504700
Regarding what is mentioned in Ezekiel Chapters 38 and 39
Tim Callahan writes:
On Meshech- "Meshech is the biblical term for the Mushki, a tribe allied with the Phrygians, who devastated the Hittite empire. Even into late Assyrian times they were a warlike people in western Asian Minor." (Tim Callahan "Bible Prophecy: Failure or Fulfillment?" page 141)
Next on Tubal- "Tubal is Tabal, a frontier state on the edge of the Assyrian empire, whose people, the Tibarani, were part of the flotsam cast up from the destruction of the Hittite empire, just as the Peoples of the Sea were mixed with the remnant of the Mycenaean civilization. Tabal was the site of much struggle between the Assyrians and the invading peoples of Asian Minor who raided their western provinces. Beth-togarmah means 'house of Togarmah.' It is the biblical version of the city of Tilgarimmu, a strategic fortress in the northern corner of Tabal. Thus, all of these nations are from Asia Minor and all of them are from Ezekiel's time. Cush and Put are most likely Ethiopia and Libya, both of which had exercised power in Egypt. What all of this means is that, like Isaiah, Ezekiel saw the 'latter days' when all the nations would attack Jerusalem as quite near his time." (Tim Callahan, "Bible Prophecy: Failure or Fulfillment?" Page 141)
Also I almost forgot on "Gomer", Tim Callahan writes "Gomer is the biblical version of the Gimmirai of Assyrian records, whom the Greeks called the Kimmerai, who got latinized into the Cimmerians. As noted in earlier chapters, they were a barbaric tribe which invaded Asia Minor from the Caucusus mountains and raided both the Lydians and Assyrians." (Again from Tim Callahan, "Bible Prophecy: Failure or Fulfillment?" Page 141)
So Meshech is Muskhi a tribe from Asia Minor in the past, Tabal was also a tribe from Asia Minor. Same for Gomer, etc.
Then as concerns the other people mentioned in Ezekiel Ch. 38-39, you have Persia (which was an ancient Zoroastrian kingdom at that period in history) and also in the time of Ezekiel it was not yet the Persian rulers of Cyrus the Great or Darius the Great who the helped the Jews out of the Babylonian and Assyrian captivities and let them go back to Jerusalem the book of Ezra praises the Persians in the time of Cyrus, etc. Then Nubia or as Tim Callahan says in particular Ethiopia: Ethiopia is today a major US ally in the Horn of Africa run by the Ethiopian Christian dictator Meles Zenawi http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20069889-503543.html, and then we have Put which is modern day Libya. As I'm sure you "Jose" and your idol Joel Richardson now get really excited seeing these names (putting aside that they are ancient terms and Iran is not called Persia, Ethiopia is not called Nubia, and Libya is not called Put anymore! Showing the old historical context in the Biblical text itself, not some alleged "prophetic" nonsense you guys claim) the actual political reality today actually shows that if we take these ancient national terms and apply them to modern nations we actually see that the nations in question can in no way be seen to possibly be in any supposed "alliance" in modern times! First Ethiopia under the Western and American backed Ethiopian Christian dictator Meles Zenawi is also a major Horn of Africa ally of "Israel" aka the Zionist entity most specifically against Somalia and militant groups like al-Shabab in Somalia. Link: http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/11/16/177485.html
"Somalia’s al-Shabaab bashes Kenya-Israel security pact"
Wednesday, 16 November 2011
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A statement from the Odinga (that is Kenyan leader Raila Odinga)'s office said Netanyahu promised to help build “a coalition against fundamentalism,” bringing together the countries Kenya, Ethiopia, South Sudan and Tanzania.
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So Ethiopia that Tim Callahan identifies as Nubia following Gog and Magog in Ezekiel Ch. 38-39, is actually allied with the "Israelis" against armed Islamic groups like Al-Shabab in Somalia; instead of being opposed to "Israel" at all and thus supposedly with Gog and Magog even in terms of the Bible!
Then regarding Persia, the official name is obviously today Iran and while they oppose the Zionist entity, it is very hard to imagine the Islamic Republic of Iran (again an officially Shi'ite state) somehow supposedly coming together with Libya (again the old terminology actually use in the historical context in Ezekiel Ch. 38-39 for Libya is the no longer existent term/name "Put"). The Libyan rebels of the NTC that overthrew and killed Muammar Gaddafi were backed by Islamist groups like the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) that is alleged to have had ties to al-Qaeda and even the Taliban in Afghanistan (where many LIFG members lived in the late 1990s i.e. in Taliban run Afghanistan) also there is a sizable Muslim Brotherhood party in Libya itself. What this means is that the new rulers in Libya are actually opposed to Iran, because they are on opposite sides of the proxy battle in Syria. Iran supports Bashar al-Assad's rule in Syria, whereas the Libyan rebels and the new Libyan NTC gov are strongly anti-Assad and forcefully behind the Free Syrian Army rebels, it is even alleged that Libyan veterans that defeated Gaddafi went to Syria to assist the Syrian opposition, anti-Assad rebels (Syrian rebels themselves according to the US government now linked by many accounts to both al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, certainly the historic Syrian Muslim Brotherhood branch). See this article for one: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29853.htm 600 Libyan rebels in Syria contrast this to claims that Iran has sent some of its Iranian Revolutionary Guards allegedly into Syria to support Assad, meaning in theory if both claims were true these forces not only would not be allied but could be fighting against one another in proxy battles in Syria hardly an "alliance".
So the new NTC government in Libya (i.e. the rebel government that replaced Gaddafi) actually has an alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood and other staunchly anti-Assad forces in Syria that want to topple the rule of Bashar al-Assad; whereas again everyone knows that the Iranian government is one of the strongest backers of Assad as Syria is the only real Arab ally Iran has outside of Iraq and Syria provides a huge link for Iran to send weapons across Iraq, across Assad ruled Syria and into their allies Hezbollah in Lebanon (who are also now opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood and siding with Assad and Iran against the Syrian opposition/rebels). On top of this Hamas in control of Gaza, which the right wing Evangelical Americans often liked to whine about especially about Hamas being a "puppet of Iran", Hamas has actually broken in many ways with Tehran and Iran has in turn lowered its support of Hamas and instead moved to supporting what is still the smaller often Hamas-rival Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) movement in Gaza. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Islamic_Jihad
One last Bible verse for Jose and Richardson to consider, how exactly can this verse Ezekiel 38:11 fit the modern entity of Zionist "Israel" which by ALL accounts is one of the most paranoid, militarized, police states on the planet; with all sorts of security on buses, at malls, in the airports, etc. i.e. if you steal someone's land and oppress them (the Palestinians) you tend to get resistance directed against you.
Relating to Gog and Magog, this is in the Bible Gog and Magog's supposed thoughts as they attack an allegedly defenseless Israel
Ezekiel 38:11- You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. (NIV)
To conclude this was a long writing, but Alhamdulillah now "Jose" and more importantly the crackpot, hatemonger Joel Richardson have been refuted, insha'Allah.
Regarding the truth about Gog and Magog which is told in Islam and the Qur'an al-Kareem there are many good links you should see below.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/iron_gates.htm
http://www.answering-christianity.com/14gog.htm
http://islam-qa.com/en/ref/171/Gog%20and%20Magog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog#Qur.27an
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEO72Kkta8c
